August 8, 2008

Why Won't ESMD Release Orion Parachute Test Vehicle Crash Photos?

Editor's 7 Aug note: I have made multiple requests of ESMD PAO starting on 2 August for pictures of the recent crash of the Orion Parachute Test Vehicle. AlI get back from ESMD PAO are responses such as "I don't, but I'll let you know when I know." Pictures were taken - to document the test and its aftermath. So why won't ESMD PAO release these pictures? What are they afraid of? Is there an ITAR issue? Or is this just an attempt to stall the release of images that would be bad PR for NASA? Is it time to file another FOIA request?

Orion Drop Test Fails, earlier post


Posted by kcowing at August 8, 2008 10:48 AM
Comments

Might want to find out the real reson the pictures are not released yet instead of just assuming that there is a cover up. You need to find out where the test were (they were at a location that does not allow photoes to be released until check out) and how long it will take for the photoes to be released (usually two weeks).

Editor's note: The photos exist. There are no constraints on their use or release. ESMD is dragging their feet because that is what they do best.

Posted by: me at August 7, 2008 1:25 PM

You are wrong there are constraints on the photo release b/c of where the testing took place. There are restrictions on who can even have a camera on the test range (or at the facility as a whole), this included camera phones which are not allowed.
Yes there are pictures, lots of pictures but they cannot be released yet.
Just to get permission to take pictures is a long process and even then you are required to turn in the photos that you take for approval to be released. To add to that even if you have a photo pass you cannot take any pictures of 'stuff' that does not pertain to your test(s).


Posted by: me at August 7, 2008 1:44 PM

Quick trying to shame NASA. Please.

Posted by: Pal3 at August 7, 2008 2:19 PM

It was dropped at Yuma Proving Grounds, an Army installation where missile tests oft take place. As someone who used to write missile simulations that dealt with imagery from YPG and other missile test areas, I can tell you, you aren't getting pictures until they are cleared by Yuma.

Thanks for majoring in the minors, "editor".

Posted by: e.p. at August 7, 2008 2:43 PM

That is correct it was tested at YPG (Yuma Proving Grounds) and you are correct in dealing with imagery from YPG for the exact reason that you stated in your post.

Posted by: me at August 7, 2008 3:06 PM

How about letting them actually go through the test data? The test was not run to satisfy your ever increasing need to bash everything NASA.

Do you even have ANY idea how busy these people are, right now?

Oooh, to be as open a the great SpaceEx, right? Forget that the mistake they openly disclosed would have been highly unlikely at NASA.

Perhaps if you acted like a serious journalist, NASA PAO would treat you like one....

Editor's note: Why is NASA so afraid to admit its errors? SpaceX admits them so that their customers and investors know what is going on. Why can't NASA do the same for the taxpayers who foot the bills, oh anonymous poster from 128.xxx.xx.xx (NASA)?

Posted by: sed at August 7, 2008 3:29 PM

"Editor's note: Why is NASA so afraid to admit its errors? SpaceX admits them so that their customers and investors know what is going on. Why can't NASA do the same for the taxpayers who foot the bills, oh anonymous poster from 128.xxx.xx.xx (NASA)?"

So you are now so bitter and petty that you are violating the confidentiality of the poster. This site has sunk to a new low. Obviously criticism of the editor will be met with retribution. My involvement has stopped. Doesn't matter, as you will never post this.

Editor's note: Who's bitter? 128.xxx.xx.xx - oh, lets see: I wonder how many thousands of people this can this apply to at NASA? Why do you think I replaced some numbers with"x"? My point in mentioning it? While I allow anonymous commentary it is annoying at times to see people hiding behind that anonymity and saying things they'd be terrified to say to my face or with attribution.


Posted by: GeezerGas at August 7, 2008 9:40 PM

This is a always great website, but the editor's attitude and ego are often grating.

Posted by: j j at August 7, 2008 10:06 PM

I am a regular reader of this site and never take what you do for granted. But it's getting weird in here with all the personal stuff.

I know you revealed a partial address to make a point here, but if you say you allow anonymous posting, it's gotta be anonymous - period. Otherwise don't allow it.

Best wishes,
Corry, but my friends just call me [IP deleted]

Posted by: Unclaimed Mysteries at August 8, 2008 4:37 AM

Hi, Keith -

If this had been a crewed vehicle,would the crew have been able to walk away from the landing?


Posted by: Charles Amey at August 8, 2008 8:14 AM

In reference to you comparing NASA's openness to SpaceX's openness about its last failure....

SpaceX's last launch was a highly promoted "public" (in the sense that it was advertised and visible to the general public) test launch that ended up screwing up, losing a 4 million dollar US Government payload, and scattering the ashes of a sizable number of people (that was supposed to go into space) over the pacific, including one James Doohan.

I think at this point, SpaceX has a lot more to answer for a failed (for all intents and purposes) production run launch, then NASA does, for a planned scheduled test where nothing was truly lost.

Posted by: Mike at August 8, 2008 9:16 AM

Editor's note: Who's bitter? 128.xxx.xx.xx - oh, lets see: I wonder how many thousands of people this can this apply to at NASA? Why do you think I replaced some numbers with"x"? My point in mentioning it? While I allow anonymous commentary it is annoying at times to see people hiding behind that anonymity and saying things they'd be terrified to say to my face or with attribution.

Be happy to talk to you face to face, were would you like to meet?

Editor's note, as you can see folks, I get lots of false bravado from anonymous posters like this one at JSC. Yawn.

Posted by: me at August 8, 2008 9:16 AM

It is not false, let me know were to meet in the clear lake area and I will meet you there no problem. It is not bravado (although that was a good Rush song) we can discuss NASA stuff

Editor's note: (yes it is a slow news day) I am not getting on a plane and fly 2,000 miles to go see someone who has no name, sorry.

Posted by: me at August 8, 2008 12:07 PM

More pathetic whining from government bureaucrats.

How does it feel to be dead already, and not even have the self-awareness to recognize you are deceased?

Keep on the pressure, Keith; whiners can't take hearing the truth.

Posted by: Keith Vauquelin at August 8, 2008 2:08 PM

This makes no sense. Can NASA legally embargo non-classified data? The practice appears arbitrary and corrupt. Maybe that's your big scoop NasaWatch dude.

Posted by: Frances Flute at August 8, 2008 4:50 PM

NASA drags their feet because they have no incentive to do anything else.

Posted by: Gonzo at August 8, 2008 7:23 PM

Keith;

This "controversy" would go away, and you will prove your point, if you can find some Mercury/Gemini/Apollo era boilerplate test photos and post them.

I tried to find some via Google, but was unsuccessful. I'm sure some graybeard or their children has some photos they would share with you.

Maybe they're dragging their feet because they have to Photoshop the Vulcans out of the photos...?

Posted by: Dave H. at August 9, 2008 7:05 AM

I was able to find some pictures of Mercury/Gemini/Apollo era boilerplates at http://nix.nasa.gov. Use "Little Joe" as a search term.

Posted by: CML at August 12, 2008 1:56 PM
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