Avatar: A Stunning New World That NASA Continues to Ignore

Keith's note: James Cameron's "Avatar" has continued to break box office records, has won the Golden Globe Awards for "best picture" and "best director", and is now headed for the Oscars. There is clearly something that the public enjoys about "Avatar". At a time when NASA needs to re-exert its relevance to decision makers and the public, you'd think that there would be some effort to tap this interest in a movie about the wonders of extrasolar planets, astrobiology, and what may lay out there as we explore space - rendered in unparalleled detail and believability. So, how did NASA capitalize on this phenomenon? Answer: It didn't.

All I could find online at NASA.gov is this short summary of an article that was written by someone at the Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics and this link to an interview with someone from MIT that aired on CNN. That's it.

Keith's update: This appeared at NASA.gov late in the day on Monday.

NASA Administrator Charles Bolden Meets Award-Winning Director James Cameron

"NASA Administrator Charles Bolden, right, and award-winning writer-director James Cameron, meet at NASA Headquarters in Washington, DC on Tuesday, Jan. 19, 2010. Cameron, who is a former member of the NASA Advisory Council, has had a life-long interest in space and science. The two talked about public outreach and education among other subjects."

James Cameron On Past And Future Plans To Shoot In Outer Space, MTV

"I had been working closely with NASA and we were going to do a... joint mission. I was going to go up and work on the International Space Station with our 3-D cameras," Cameron explained. Unfortunately, the timing did not work out. On multiple levels. "I was pushing for something in the 30 day range and they were pushing for something in the 10 to 15 day range. We got partway down the road on that and, it was interesting, we were testing our 3-D cameras at the Titanic wreck site and September 11 happened. I wasn't prepared at that exact moment in my life, with a family, to go live in Russia for 12 months, which is what it was going to take to do all the training. so I held off," he explained, adding "just before we were about to ramp up on it again, then [Space Shuttle] Columbia went down."

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Charlie Bolden did make reference to the movie (without using its name) in his 5 January 2010 speech to the AAS (page 3): "But what of the discoveries we cannot predict as this New Year begins? Thus far, more than 400 extra-solar planets have been discovered orbiting other stars. Last month, a super-Earth was discovered that might be an all-water world. When will someone in this audience discover a Pandora? A real Pandora like the one in James Cameron's fabulous new movie? And will such a discovery open a positive Pandora's box - forever changing the way citizens of Earth view ourselves, and our place in the cosmos? Only time - and the best science - will tell."

Other than Bolden and his speech writers, you have to wonder who at NASA is paying attention to what is going on in society - and who is supposed to be thinking about making sure that the NASA is relevant and responsive to what is happening outside the agency. People from all walks of life flock to see a movie about space exploration - a movie directed by a former member of the NASA Advisory Council - and NASA for the most part is either oblivious - or ambivalent to this immense public interest. Yet the same people at NASA get upset when the public doesn't support the agency or show interest in what it does. Go figure.

It is not as if NASA does not know how to do cross promotional activities - they recently did one for Planet 51 and before that for "Toy Story" character "Buzz Lightyear". Apart from the upcoming Hubble IMAX 3D (the trailer is shown in IMAX theaters before "Avatar") in limited release in IMAX theaters, it would seem that NASA picks movies to promote that are aimed at young children.

What is inexplicable to me is how NASA cannot see this film as an opportunity to promote research it is already funding - research that seems to pop up almost every day (if you know where to find it that is). One example is this paper Planetesimal Accretion in Binary Systems: Could Planets Form Around Alpha Centauri B? which is directly relevant to "Avatar" (Pandora orbits Alpha Centauri A) that appeared today on lanl.arXiv.org which states that "This work was supported ... NASA with grant NNX07AP14G ... "

A recent poll claims to show that "50% of Americans now say the United States should cut back on space exploration given the current state of the economy". Yet Americans are flocking in droves to see this movie - about space exploration. In an overly simplistic comparison, it would seem to me that people are voting with their discretionary funds ($500 million) to experience space exploration that they do not think NASA is - or should be - doing with their non-discretionary tax dollars.

If NASA took the time to understand this situation they might just learn what it is they should be doing such that the public will start to support NASA the way that they support Avatar. Oh well. The President and his family saw "Avatar". He is expected to personally announce what he wants NASA to be doing in a speech on/around 7/8 February. Will his new "vision" for NASA pull people in to participate as has Avatar or leave them outside without a ticket?

Obama State of Union set for Jan 27, budget Feb 1, Reuters

"President Barack Obama plans to deliver his annual State of the Union address on January 27 and will present his budget plan on February 1."

The New NASA Advisory Council Meets - At Last. But Something Is Missing (2005)

"The previous NAC counted among its members James Cameron. While Cameron happens to be a rather skilled engineer in his own right, he is, foremost, an artist - and a communicator. When he spoke at NAC meetings - and other NASA events - he often sought to infuse his advice with input from the real world outside of NASA. Much of what he had to say would not be expected to come out of the mouth of a professional committee member."

Avatar: A Stunning New World That NASA Is Ignoring, earlier post
How Will We Travel to Avatar's Pandora?, earlier post
Pandora Could Exist, earlier post
Video: Avatar, Augmented Reality, and NASA, earlier post


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The problem is that our politicians refuse to utilize NASA as a program for pioneering the New Frontier instead of simply exploring it. And people know the difference!

In science fiction, people are not just exploring space, they're living and working in space. The audience finds that exciting because they feel like they're looking at their future or their children or grandchildren's future.

If the ISS was a continuously growing facility that produced a simulated gravity environment, people might be more excited about it. But no one's really excited about the ISS except the elite few who get to visit their because most people know that humans will never live permanently in a microgravity environment.

Its been almost 50 years since humans first ventured into space, yet we still don't know if humans can survive and reproduce under a simulated gravity environment or under the hypogravity environments of the Moon and Mars. Why would private companies ever want to seriously invest in space colonization-- if they don't really know if humans can actually live there.

Unfortunately, since the end of the Apollo era, NASA has been doing everything except helping us learn if its possible for humans to permanently survive in the New Frontier.

Marcel F. Williams

NASA communications have been lacking for a long, long time. We all know this to be true. Why should their lack of response to Avatar be any different?

Congress doesn't get it. The people in charge of NASA don't get it. NewSpace companies get it, but they aren't established enough to assume that leadership role...yet.

So how the hell do we pressure and push to make it blatantly obvious that what NASA and the government needs to do is laid out right in front of their face?

Maybe we need to make a serious effort to get a LOT of scientists and engineers in Congress, so they can fix this mess we're in using logic and reason.

The problem with linking NASA to interest in Avatar is that in Avatar the spacefaring humans are the bad guys, morally blind, defeated in battle, and sent back to Earth. The fact that the humans are motivated by commercial interests in space is bad, not good. The clear message is that we should leave other worlds alone. This is just the opposite of the message of the other transformational space film, 2001.

To say that Avatar is "about" space exploration is equivalent to saying that The Terminator was about robotics or Titanic was about deep sea salvage. I don't disagree that NASA has lost an opportunity to offer up some thoughts for the public to ponder regarding exoplanet study, but the "wow" of the public regarding this movie has little to do with the story's substance...especially since the story hardly has any substance. Avatar is a visually stunning experience of cardboard characters marching through a grossly predictable 1-dimensional plot built of shallow sf cliches founded on superficial unnuanced history.

Space exploration...real space exploration...has a bit more depth to it, even if NASA PAO insists on presenting it as mind-numbingly bland boredom. Perhaps they feel ill-equipped to make the bridge from one to the other and opted instead to put their head in the sand (or they wish the movie had more depth...like Mission to Mars(!)??).

I fear, though, that the bigger problem is that the public is no longer capable of knowing the difference between Hollywood pyrotechnics wrapped around a whole lot of fictional nothing and the true and important realities...including the risk...of actual space exploration and exploitation and the bounty it may or may not offer. Why care about the real when the fantasy fed to them is perfectly adequate at providing sufficient wonder within the current generation's limited intellectual horizons?

David - I took a slightly different twist on the "message" of the movie. I totally see where you're coming from though, but what about this factor:

The pursuit of profit (money) at all costs is detrimental to the human condition, causing us to do things against our very nature. Ie: Humans ravaging Pandora for a special mineral.

Our nature is to be helpful, just look at the outpouring of help towards Haiti, for people we don't even know. But we want to help. Most of the world is helping in some way, even people who are already stressed financially during this economic mess are donating. It's in our nature to be that way.

Ah, but money is a false resource used to buy real resources and things we need to live, which of course leads to buying things we don't need at all, or hoarding the money so that we maintain power and control over others.

That greed, power and control is what drives unsane behavior, not insane, because the people aren't crazy, they're playing the game as it's supposed to be, but unsane as in not logical or rational based on common nature.

The phrase, "Money is the root of all evil," is very appropriate in this case. How many great science programs, space programs, research projects, etc. have been washed away due to money, or lack thereof? Imagine a world where that wasn't the case, and every scientific project ever thought of was done, just to advance the knowledge.

...superficial unnuanced history.

- Bob, history is littered with real cases of the exploitation of land and resources by corporations for the sole purpose of profits and material gain. So your statement right away is slightly off from real world history. The difference is that Avatar just showcased it on a larger scale with some bells and whistles. The root story is perfectly accurate.

- However, I will agree on his point, that the public isn't informed enough about space exploration, its benefits and its challenges, but whose fault is that? It's the science and tech community as a whole, the people who love it, but don't preach it, and the people who elect idiots into government that also don't get it.

Change the paradigm, change the outcome.

I'm in agreement with most of these posts:

The public is clueless about what real exploration entails.

NASA has done an 'eh' job of tying itself to 'space exploration movies', as a means of educating the public and providing them with a sense of what NASA is all about.

The movie's plot line is one dimensional, a story we've heard/seen plenty of times. It's not really about space exploration. Greed is bad. We exploit nature for it's resources, relating to it like it is something to consume vs. live in harmony with it. (though I think that attitude world wide is shifting)

Perhaps though, and this is where I differ from the above posts, perhaps the public is draw to the movie for the experience of actually having a sense of living with/like the Na'vi.

The Na'vi are human like, yet also spiritual adults - and they live an extraordinary simple live among the plants and animals, and rely on spirits of the land/etc. for guidance (not the Augustine Commission and its ilk)

Perhaps at our core, humanity thrives to live in harmony with nature, to be connected to all things (plants, animals, flying birds, etc.), to lead a simple life, like the Na'vi.

Immersing oneself in the world James Cameron has created sure is a nice diversion/escape from the hard realities of the modern world we live in today.

Apart from the storyline, the 3D technology is going to be the new thing in movies and soon in TV. Now that most people have bought into flat panels and HD, 3D will be the next big technology push.

Soon we will see the Hubble IMAX 3D film and it will give people a feel for being there. While the Shuttles are still flying, we ought to be flying a 3D IMAX camera to record the ISS outside from all perspectives, and from the inside too. It won't be as easy after Shuttle ends.

Upcoming probes to the planets, and past ones too, that produced 3D imagery can serve as the initial basis for 3D tours of other real worlds. Whether NASA is behind it or not, it will be developed by commercial producers. NASA could speed it along by advertising through RFIs for support from commercial media producers and offering NASA assistance.

One really big NASA failure in media over the last ten years is its failure to embrace computer gaming, which is now a larger industry in terms of dollars then movies/entertainment.

The DOD embraced this in a big way with hundreds of millions invested in America's Army and several related games they now use for marketing.

NASA and the government should have been developing similar gaming media to get people interested and educated in the STEM subjects of science, math, engineering and other science and technical subjects.

Really? Are you seriously criticizing the Agency for not being 'responsive' to a movie release? Slow day Keith? If NASA PAO were to have attempted to leverage Avatar to promote its own mission, you certainly would have bashed them for being exploitative and opportunistic. Science follows science fiction..but not in the same week man.

Editor's note: If NASA "attempted to leverage Avatar to promote its own mission" I'd be applauding them for doing so. As for your comment "Science follows science fiction..but not in the same week man." you clearly know little about what NASA actually is doing these days. Some of it is just mind boggling - and contrary to your assertion, this science inspires the Science Fiction !!! Too bad NASA stumbles over itself when it comes to explaining all of this stuff to taxpayers.

Keith, I have to disagree with you entirely. I for one am glad NASA is passing on Avatar. Once you get past the lush graphics and razzle-dazzle, at its heart this is a film about the worst of human nature and colonialism. Yes, it is popular. However, is it worth the civilian space agency selling their morals for publicity?

I agree that PAO needs to do more in general, but in this case they made the right call in my opinion.

I haven't seen Avatar yet, but in response to Moonman's comments on gaming, there was an RFP to develop a NASA-based STEM learning game in the vein of America's Army put out a while back. A selection was made of a developer team and follow up call for education experts to work with them was out last summer. The effort is from NASA's Learning Technologies Project and the Innovative Partnerships Program Office. It usually gets a mention on NASA Watch when updates hit the news. A web search for NASA MMO will turn up links.

Oh sure. Let's promote NASA using a typical Luddite storyline disparaging science and technology which obviously always leads to evil exploitation, in favor of the naturally good and decent primitive natives who have advanced as far as bows and arrows and let's hope they always stay that way.

The irony of such a storyline in a movie that depends entirely on the most advanced technology currently available is of course striking. Despite the expense, Cameron apparently could not afford a real writer and wrote the thing himself, recycling old, often repeated, and now utterly predictable plots. (See http://filmdrunk.uproxx.com/?attachment_id=22627 for some humorous evidence.)

I did still enjoy the movie for the stunning effects and great action scenes. (I have learned to suspend attention to the plot, which is pretty much necessary for modern movies.) However I am truly perplexed at the suggestion that this anti-technology movie be used somehow to promote NASA.

Heinrich - The catch with your argument is that the fiction part of Avatar (the space exploration bit) isn't that far off from reality, but we just aren't doing it. It's one excuse after another, generally related to budgets and laid out by annoying politicians who don't grasp a bigger picture at all, because their lives revolve around the next election, that completely derails possible and positive projects that NASA should be doing to push the envelope. Sorry, Constellation is NOT pushing any envelopes. NASA's being safe and boring, they've lost their edge, and I blame the damn government for that.

Kepler may be cool, but who besides us space geeks really know about it, or what it even is? I bet if you walked down the street and asked 1,000 people about Kepler, just what it is, maybe 10 of them might know. NASA sucks with promoting itself on the news and with showcasing its accomplishments. And beyond that, nothing is more exciting and productive than human spaceflight, which we've completely dropped the ball on.

Mark - I saw it more as a story about anti-corporate greed than anti-technology. Technology just happened to be part of the story. It's the same story as Dances With Wolves, and that story didn't have advanced technology.

I do agree that nothing created in Hollywood these days is unique or really different. I wonder if we've told every story possible. lol.

Looks like someone decided to set up the meeting.

NASA Administrator Charles Bolden Meets Award-Winning Director James Cameron

http://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/imagegallery/image_feature_1567.html

On a (slightly) related note, I think NASA really missed an opportunity to connect with their ideal target audience with the preview for "IMAX: Hubble 3D". The trailer was rather dreamy with people speaking deep thoughts about themselves and the universe. This is not the way to connect with a theater full of 18-40 year-olds. Something a bit more "kick-ass" would have been more appropriate. Anyone who saw the STS-129 ascent highlights video knows exactly what I'm talking about. This was a theater full of people waiting to have their socks knocked off by Avatar and NASA could have done it as well by showing off the power and splendor of the Shuttle and Hubble. Instead, they gave the audience a dreamy soft sell. The last line in the trailer "Narrated by Leonardo DiCaprio" caused most of the theater to laugh, both times I saw it. I bet that's not the reaction NASA or the filmmakers were looking for.

Sorry if this is somewhat off topic but this picture:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/nasahqphoto/4289071972/in/photostream/
is VERY interesting! What are they looking at? Could it be a launcher with flyback boosters?
Keith? Anyone??

Thank goodness NASA did not support the movie. Now Cameron is saying he supports eco-terrorism and the movie is an argument for that: http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/bighollywood/2010/01/16/james-cameron-i-believe-in-eco-terrorism

The picture seems to be some sort of conceptual side mount stubby-winged vehicle. However the document itself is USA Today and the headline is "Has USA hit it's final frontier in space?". I wonder who brought that to the meeting... Bolden or Cameron?

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