NASA's Most Important Asset, Gerry Griffin, 31 December 1996

Keith's note: The following commentary by Gerry Griffin is one of the most memorable things that has ever graced the pages of NASA Watch. It appeared when the Internet was young and I was blogging before what I was doing was called "blogging" on a website called NASARIFWatch (RIF = "Reduction In Force". Get familar with this activity, if you will.) Yes, it may be a bit dated. But it is also prescient and rather relevant now. The more things change, the more they remain the same. Charlie Bolden should take note of these cogent excerpts:

"The men and women of NASA and their contractors can do anything this country wants them to do. All it takes is leadership -- not management, leadership ... But, we have seen enough of the "in-your-face" style of leadership at the top, and it's high time for some leadership that can make the necessary changes with an understanding of, and respect for, NASA's most important asset -- its people."

Wisdom from another era.

All of us with space and aeronautics in our past and present have watched with interest over the past 25 years as the NASA landscape has changed dramatically. By any measure, it's been a real roller coaster. From being perhaps the most admired and closely followed publicly funded effort ever, NASA's last 25 years have been a series of upswings and downturns with little consistency and considerable instability

After the Apollo program, NASA's leadership fought hard to keep the space shuttle approved and funded while the field centers and their contractors designed and built a magnificent flying machine that pushed the state-of-the-art in space travel to a new level. When the space shuttle flew successfully in 1981, we enjoyed a brief period of renewed public interest in all of NASA's programs in space and aeronautics. However, as the space shuttle performed flawlessly over the next five years, public interest and congressional support for NASA was, at best, tepid. Many of us hoped that President Reagan's announcement of the initiation of the Space Station in his January 1984 state-of-the-union address would reenergize the public's interest in NASA, but it simply did not. The Challenger accident in 1986 brought NASA renewed attention, but wasn't the kind of attention we wanted or needed. In some measure, the Challenger accident even turned lukewarm support for NASA into downright hostility in some quarters of the public arena. But, any objective observer would conclude that NASA and its contractors did an outstanding job in recovering from the Challenger accident, and public interest was raised.

The first flight of the shuttle after Challenger was one of the most closely watched events in recent history, and the entire country was pulling hard for NASA to succeed. But it didn't take long after the successful return to flight before interest waned once again. At this time, much effort was going into the Space Station program, but a combination of events created a chaotic environment of start, stop, regroup, start, stop, and so on. A good portion of the blame for the chaos can be placed on NASA, but there also was plenty of meddling by outside forces, mostly political in nature, which added to the confusion. And to this day, the Space Station program still lacks a clear "end vision", and the future of the program is, at best, less than clear.

There's no doubt that this is a tough time for our country's finances, and NASA will never again have a run like it did in the '60s. But there is much NASA can do -- and should do -- for human space flight, space science, and aeronautics, and the agency deserves a better shot at doing it than it is getting. For sure, the struggles of NASA began a long time ago, but in the period since late in the Bush Administration, insensitive leadership at NASA has been devastating to the morale of the agency and its contractors. Clearly, significant changes in NASA are needed and, in some cases, long overdue. There's too many layers of management and supervision brought on in great part by two unrelated factors: an overreaction to the Challenger accident and an antiquated personnel promotion system. And yes, there are too many people in NASA who have retired in place and simply should go. These problems must be fixed, but they are problems that face every large organization as it ages. I submit you should fix these problems on a much more narrow basis than we have seen in recent years, and the changes should be carried out more with the skill of a surgeon than the finesse of a blacksmith.

The men and women of NASA and their contractors can do anything this country wants them to do. All it takes is leadership -- not management, leadership. Since the early '90s, in my judgment, the people in NASA and the public they serve, have not been served well by NASA's top leadership in Washington. NASA has been hindered greatly, I think, by ill-advised international alliances and fuzzy program direction. And when this is coupled with the lack of respect -- and sometimes downright hostility -- shown by agency leadership in Washington for the rank and file in the field who must carry out these programs, the situation has been made even worse. Oh yes, NASA's top leadership in Washington says many of the right words when the cameras are running on the occasion of an astronaut's return to Earth or a new picture being received from Jupiter, but it's what they are doing when the cameras are off that worry me.

I served in senior positions at three NASA centers and Headquarters, and my network of contacts is still pretty extensive. My NASA comm circuits have been active recently, and the message isn't good. As I implied earlier, I believe the heart and soul of NASA are its people -- not its facilities, its challenging programs, or all of the frantic activities going on "inside the beltway" in Washington, D.C. And, it's not just the honchos that matter. Sure, we need good senior people in key positions, but in my opinion, it's GS-7s through GS-14s at NASA's field centers (and their counterparts in industry) who have and will continue to make the U.S. space and aeronautics programs tick. And, for the first time in my more than 30 years of connection with NASA, the tom-toms are telling me that many of the low- and mid-level people in NASA and their contractors are reaching the end of their ropes. Much of this, I'm told, is due to an insensitive, unfriendly, and disrespectful air that emanates from the highest floor at NASA Headquarters. The common view expressed is that the fun has gone out of the business and that younger people simply can't envision spending their next 10 to 20 years in the present environment. I believe that if we lose the unwavering commitment of a significant number of the low- and mid-level people, NASA will be in even deeper trouble than we see it in today.

All I've said here doesn't mean that NASA and their contractors will escape more reductions in personnel. For sure, they will not, and the U.S. space team will have to learn how to carry out its business in a much different manner. That's okay! But, we have seen enough of the "in-your-face" style of leadership at the top, and it's high time for some leadership that can make the necessary changes with an understanding of, and respect for, NASA's most important asset -- its people.

Gerald D. Griffin was director of the Johnson Space Center from August 8, 1982 to January 14, 1988. He is a founder of the NASA Alumni League, a former president, and is now a director.


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While Gerry was concerned about leadership at the top, on the ninth floor at Headquarters, what I have witnessed is nonexistent leadership in the lower echelons of management; in between those GS-14s and the Administrator.

It was one thing to watch NASA Administrator Dr. Griffin, pirate the future of the space program for his personal back-of-the-envelope rocket design.

But closer to home I watched some people try and take over management (not leadership) of the development of a new complex system, something they had no experience with, lacked the requisite skills, and had no idea how to do. And as they faced technical issues that made the design untenable, they simply swept the truth under the rug because after all they wanted to just keep on going. Eventually I guess they hoped they would be able to figure out a solution.

In the meantime they promoted their friends, spent a lot of our money, wasted irreplaceable time, and they lost whatever confidence we might have had in their abilities.

For awhile these inexperienced managers - they were never leaders - hurt the people who tried to stand up to them. But now they have dealt the nation and human space flight a blow we will be lucky to recover from.

While I am hopeful General Bolden can make repairs at the top, I am more concerned that an entire group of inexperienced, unsuccessful elitists now occupy an entire echelon of management in human space flight at the field center. How they are positioned in the new order will be crucial to whether HSF can be revived.

This will be the downfall of NASA. Not CxP, not "Flexible Path", not the new budget proposal, not any architecture. NASA has no competent leadership. The only thing that has changed since this article was written is that, today, the lack of leadership and incompetence and hostility of management is down to the Directorate level within the Centers, basically anyone who is SES. It is sad but this Agency is dying and there in no program or any amount of funding that can fix it. It is over. But as with any massive bureaucracy, it's death will take decades. It will be a sad and painful process.

The Key Word Is LEADERSHIP! NASA has none now and the country as a whole is adrift with a broken tiller too.

Carl (Surfduke) Hewlett

I think one thing over the years I have been with NASA is this idea that developed over time of assisting an employee with their career. You are sent to training for how to advance your career, how to get along with people, management opportunity training, diverse activity training, and on and on it seems. And then some of the really good engineers, who do fantastic engineering work, are selected to move higher up the scale into management. Some should have been left as engineers and paid more then the managers they worked for as they were excellent engineers but lousy managers. And we would go through periodic intervals when (and we still are) top heavy so we try to resolve that by reorganizing and lowering the manager to working engineer ratio only to go top heavy a very few years later again. And so much effort is exhausted on the bureaucracy it is awful.

I know one manager, who was a great engineer and a good manager, who retired very young simply because of all the meaningless "management" duties he had to perform daily. I do believe in supporting your employees and a good manager knows how to do that without being overbearing, but these constant management exercises placed on the workforce to make management/employee relations good go way too far. It is time to simply work with your employees and help when they need it and stay out of the way otherwise.

Moonman,

The issues you cite are not isolated to NASA. From my experience, which has spanned all the major contractors, there is a tendency to promote into management those who show less-than-average skills accomplishing the detailed, technical work. The logic in this, as I understand it, is that even if they cannot do the technical work, they are valuable in that they understand the industry because they have been exposed to it.

While there may be some truth to this logic, the problem arises when these people think being nudged into management and out of the technical path is a result of their technical acumen and prowess. Because we all have to be "PC" these days, even when completing an employee's annual performance evaluation, no one ever levels with these people about the reason they are no longer doing (or attempting to do) technical work. Instead, they have the mistaken impression that management is a "reward" for them being at the top of their technical game. This mistaken impression then leads to their behaviors where they often refuse to give-in to valid technical arguments posed by those "below" them. Another such behavior that results from this is promotion of their friends to be their "staff sidekicks." Often these are friends who DO have technical capabilities, but exhibit their willingness to follow their management friend's political decisions.

The result are people with technical skills well beyond those of the people that are managing them becoming depressed and cynical about the direction of their project (the Dilbert principle). As you point out, it is really first and second level management that can either make or break a technical project. But having yoyos at the top making bad decisions is also a recipe for disaster.

I agree with all the comments I have read. When I worked at headquarters for twenty years, I remember that every day somebody was out to stab you in the back. The majority of senior managers were pathetic. They were no leaders and hardly were they managers. I think the main reason NASA has declined in respect, especially internally, is because the National Leadership always took it for granted. Yes, we did shuttle and now we are with ISS; but for the past four decades NASA had not had a real program to challenge its employees.

When I left NASA HQS several years ago, I was totally frustrated with the lack of the leadership with President administrations and current NASA managers. I would have stayed on a few more years with Constellation; but I saw the writing on the wall about it's demise.

WOW! Those 5 comments (as I write this) by "moonman, Ray, possum, rkoenn, and Carl", along with Jerry G.'s excellent thinly veiled (well-deserved)shot at the Goldin Screw and his sycophants who almost destroyed NASA in the '90's,are the most cogent, honest, no-holds barred, blast at what's REALLY wrong with NASA--no leadership! The bureaucracatic decline into mediocre, or worse,"management" at almost all levels (for the reasons well-stated by Ray, rkoenn and moonman)is so evident and so depressing that people like "possum" are flat giving up! Another "fault" of the sad promotion process not really mentioned above is the ridiculous assumption (apparently) that any astronaut must automatically be qualified to be a NASA mangager, whereas, with rare exceptions, the opposite has been proved to be true! Hopefully, our new Administrator is one of those exceptions! Like "possum" I am almost at the point where there really is no hope for NASA in it's present, bureaucratically-bloated, form--it ought to be abolished or totally "morphed" into a "new" Agency--or Agencies (splitting out, perhaps, HSF, Aeronautics, R&D, etc.) But, of course, just like with the Bureau of Indian Affairs and the Dept. of Agriculture, to name but a few hopeless ones, that just can't be done in this Government! So, what's the solution? Plug along, try to fine a few nuggets around in the "management chain" and talk them into sacrificing for the good of the Country by taking Leadership roles! (Yeah, I know I'm dreaming, but maybe Charlie can pull off such a miracle!) Start by getting rid of that female sycophant (to the Great One, not CB) "under" him! Sorry to be so blunt, but she's obviously a PC appointment to really run the show with no apparent NASA technical smarts--and even at that level it DOES TAKE SOME!
Keep the faith, boys--all is not lost--yet!

I wonder if Gerry Griffin ever worked for IBM? "Our employees are our greatest asset." That was their phrase right up to the point that they started the layoffs back in the early 90's. And I'm speaking from experience as an ex-IBMer.

'an entire group of inexperienced, unsuccessful elitists now occupy an entire echelon of management in human space flight'

Not to worry, NASA's getting out of human space flight.

'the tom-toms are telling me that many of the low- and mid-level people in NASA and their contractors are reaching the end of their ropes. ... younger people simply can't envision spending their next 10 to 20 years in the present environment.'

That's what I am hearing too - there is a lot of concern that the 'seed corn' of NASA, the engineers who just hired on in the last year or two, all excited to be working on a program that was going somewhere, will just walk out the door. I don't know of any departures yet (probably due to the poor economic climate, and uncertainty about what's really going to happen), but people are certainly not enthusiastic about the changed direction.

Leadership requires that (1) you actually make decisions and that the decisions take the organization and people in a particular direction; (2) you have some semblance of an idea of which direction to move in, or if you don't then you delegate to the best, most experienced person to define the decision, the direction, and the plan for getting there. Sometimes, if you cannot delegate to one person, then you assemble a small team (3 or 5 people) to outline the options and make a recommendation.

My experience after many years in NASA and the contractors, is that the bureaucracy has become so pervasive that everyone, from the lowest level engineers to a couple of the Associate Administrators I have seen operating, are afraid to say or do anything. If they say something they will be seen as being outspoken and if they do something that, god forbid, someone in power thinks is wrong, short-sighted, or controversial, then their head and job is on the line.

The outcome is that no one says anything, decisions are deferred and deflected, and not much gets done. That is NASA today. Take a look at both Challenger and Columbia accidents. This is precisely what happened and the managers elected to take no action when the decision to stop or act was their responsibility.

When you have a lot of inexperienced and almost as a direct result, insecure managers, they are afraid to decide anything themselves, afraid to raise their heads, afraid to delegate to their subordinates.

This is why NASA is in the situation its in.

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