Today's Space Policy Feedback

An Open Letter to NASA Administrator Charles F. Bolden, Homer Hickam

"It was for that reason, I guess, that I was so surprised at how you've treated a lot of the people who work for you, all of whom also love our country and spaceflight. Maybe you weren't aware that many of those people were pulling 80-hour weeks doing everything they could do move the Constellation moon program forward. The impersonal manner in which you informed them that their work was no longer needed was not good, Charlie. Nor was the fact you allowed the program that defined NASA's future to be closed down with nothing concrete to take its place. I mean, a good manager would never allow a thing like that to happen. That's why I think you were as surprised as everybody else when you got your orders from the White House. At least, I hope you were."

Space Pioneer Burt Rutan Blasts NASA Plan, WS Journal

"Commercial space pioneer Burt Rutan has sharply criticized Obama administration proposals to outsource key portions of NASA's manned space program to private firms. The White House wants NASA to use outside firms to develop and operate new rockets and spacecraft that would transport astronauts into orbit and beyond, functions that had previously been considered a core function of the agency. Mr. Rutan, a veteran aerospace designer and entrepreneur, in a letter addressed to lawmakers on Capitol Hill, says he is "fearful that the commercial guys will fail" to deliver on the promises to get beyond low earth orbit, and that the policy risks setting back the nation's space program."

A better way to go where no one has gone before, opinion by Scott Hubbard, SF Chronicle

"Some complain that the plan concedes the moon to the Chinese. This is nonsense. The United States landed on the moon six times more than 40 years ago. As Buzz Aldrin, the second man on the moon, has pointed out, it is far more logical to partner with the Chinese on the exceedingly expensive trip to the moon. In the meantime, many of us have identified the "flexible path" as a way of moving human exploration ever more deeply into space beyond low-Earth orbit, while keeping Mars as the ultimate goal."

Losing sight of the Moon?, ABC

"Like other NASA astronauts and scientists working on the complex Constellation program, Andy Thomas was surprised when the White House chose to dump the entire project. "Many of us who'd been working in Constellation and watching Constellation had recognised that some elements were not going in the right direction," he said. "We were not surprised when they were cancelled, we were surprised when the entire program was cancelled and done so without a clear plan of what the going forward position was. The wording was rather vague."


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"From my past comments on NASA's" lack of direction and success, "an observer might think that I would applaud the decision to turn this important responsibility over to commercial developers," the letter says. However, he adds, that's "wrong.

"That would be a very big mistake for America to make"

Well, that kind of sums up what some of us have been saying for 3 weeks. The pro new space, destroy NASA crowd has gone on and on about how great SpaceX and Virgin Galactic etc are. (Some also mention Bigelow quite a bit, but lets be real.) Musk is always dismissive and disdainful of NASA and makes promises he has no way to back up. Rutan (a truly great aerospace entrepeneur and genius who brings more than money to the table) who is the only commercial enterprise to actually put a man in space, even if it was only a 2 minute suborbital flight, now came out and BLASTED the plan. If your poster boy for commercial flight and space tourism says the plan is awful, what do you all fall back on now?

Did Rutan make the erroneous claim that getting beyond LEO has been assigned to commercial companies or did the jouralist get that wrong? I'm guessing it was the journalist.

'Well, that kind of sums up what some of us have been saying for 3 weeks.'

My thoughts exactly! He even made the exact same point I made a while back - that trying to make the new commerical guys run before they are ready to walk is more likely to harm them then help them.

My hat is off to a truly great engineer, one who actually does have a clue just how hard it is.

Spacex will "fail" when they are forced to go along with the "NASA" playbook to get paid. Their business plan is the Faster, Cheaper selection from the engineering triumvirate.

The incumbent EELV vendors know how to play the NASA/government game to keep the money flowing. NASA has succumbed to tweaking everything to death in a wasteful attempt to appease a morass of conflicting priorities. The sharks enable them and are nuzzling around to find the fresh teet.

What has occured in the past is fine when you have an operational system and everything can be manyanaed. Now the operational system is going away and so is the money. The folks from DC are at the door and want to help. Tomorrow is about to go away too.

All of the available wisdom from the people who are responsible has lead us to absolutely depending on the Russians to maintain what we have left in the foreseeable future. That is the fact. The plans are in work to change this but they are just plans.

The NASA of today couldn't even get a Shuttle program going from scratch if they were just given the complete plans yesterday.

Lori is a policy wonk and a tourist. Charlie is a nice guy who has lived it but he's in over his head. He's in a classic no-win situation. Caught between the "realities" of DC politics and his loyalty to those who have served.

It's the crying that shook me up the most. I think he might be realizing he's just a figurehead. I don't think he'll be around much longer unless he's able to fool himself about what is really expected from him from his chain of command. He's a man of honor. Survivors have to step over the bodies eventually.

The problem is bigger than one man can solve.

Fatalistic? Yes.

'Charlie [is] in a classic no-win situation. Caught between the "realities" of DC politics and his loyalty to those who have served.'

I was trying to figure out, the other day, why on earth he took the job. The only thing I came up with is that he took it to try and protect NASA and its people; that he suspects that if he isn't there, something even worse will happen to NASA.

My hat's off to him for trying, but I'm not sure it will do any good.

What "New" commercial guys? ULA? Lockheed Martin? Boeing? Orbital? They'll all have the same chance to bid as SpaceX, Sierra Nevada and Bigelow. Are you saying that you don't think these companies are capable of creating a working system? Really?


No, we are saying Lockheed Martin and Boeing, with the help of their launching company ULA, are now going to recompete for the Orion contract. That's progress for you! Bigelow is a joke using NASA developed technology paying to launch 1/3rd scale models on russian rockets and he hasnt even done that in 3 years. 12 years and he has nothing to support his claims yet. Sierra Nevada is using NASA developed technology and doesnt really have a chance. SpaceX definitely has a chance, just not when you and all their fan boys think it will happen. Probably 4 years later than that. They are already 2 years late and counting on their cargo version. And again, you are clearly not cheering on ULA, Boeing and Lockheed because if you are, than why bother changing the plan, since Lockheed and Boeing are the prime contractors on Orion and Ares I Upper Stage. Those who are cheering this so-called commercialization are cheering for the New Space companies, not the old giants.

The WSJ's summary of Rutan's letter is quite misleading. Somebody posted the actual text of Rutan's letter to Congress here:

http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=20653.msg552686#msg552686

From the letter, it's clear that when Rutan says he's "fearful that the commercial guys will fail," he's defining "failure" as a scenario where commercial simply manages to replicate the same sort of LEO access NASA accomplished in 3.5 years with Gemini, without also engaging in further space exploration.

Curiously enough, he then argues for pretty much the same thing Bolden has been arguing for; my only possible explanation for the confusion would be overexposure to the misleading characterization of the plan in the media:

"What I would like to see is a decade or two of overlap - an initial push in the commercial arena of manned spaceflight (Development programs, not Research programs), while NASA flies risky new ideas (read, true Research programs, giving at least a chance of discovering an important new Breakthrough), and at the same time pushes the forefront of Exploration beyond the earth's moon."

As an update, Rutan has released a statement saying that the WSJ misquoted his letter, and he's actually in support of commercial access to the ISS, but thinks it would be a mistake to rely on them for commercial access to "Mars or the moons of Saturn" within his lifetime.

http://www.flightglobal.com/blogs/hyperbola/2010/02/burt-rutan-sets-the-record-str.html

'The WSJ's summary of Rutan's letter is quite misleading.'

I think you missed the part where Rutan said:

"Mike Griffin's excellent statement says it best; "I too want, in the strongest possible terms, to have government policies which serve to stimulate private development of space. But at the same time, I too am reluctant -- with an analogy to instrument flying -- to give up an airport where I know I can get in on the approach, for one where I might"."

That would be the same Mike Griffin all the Constellation-haterz think is a nitwit?

Yes, I doubt Griffin and Rutan would see eye-to-eye on Constellation (although I would love to hear the debate) - but there's no question Rutan's not happy with the new Garver/Holden 'plan' either.

Since I respect Rutan's technical judgement a lot more than I respect that of Holdren or anyone else currently making decisions in the administration, seems to me that it's time to re-evaluate the re-evaluation.


And I found this interesting:

"a NASA return-to-moon effort must include true Research content, i.e. testing new concepts needed to enable forefront Exploration beyond the moon. The current Ares/Orion does not do that."

As someone else already observed, Constellation lost a lot by trying to get flying ASAP. It's hard to push the technology envelope when you're trying to minimize your timeline.

It turns out there is more advanced technology (i.e. stuff that's not used in commerical aero yet) under consideration, in addition to stuff that's already made the cut, like the carbon bell on the J-2X, but when you're trying to make a minimal deadline, you go with what you know works (like the kerosene/cryo SpaceX picked).

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