Space Policy Snapshot

Workers Prep For Final NASA Missions At Michoud, WDSU

"Two sets of astronauts will visit NASA's Michoud facility this week, even as the facility's future remains in question. Hundreds of workers have been laid off over the past two years. Lockheed Martin was contracted between 1973 and 2008 to do $10.7 billion in work for the federal government. With federal funding for NASA in question, the 1,426 people who still work there wonder what is next for the agency and for themselves."

Fla. Senator Says Obama 'Restructuring' NASA Plans, WESH

"Florida's senior senator, after talking to the president, said U.S. astronauts could wind up launching in an American-built spacecraft after all. It would mean developing a giant rocket based on space shuttle engines, tanks and boosters to go with a new spacecraft, Billow said, perhaps the very one NASA was designing anyway."

NASA's down-to-earth problem, op ed, Lou Friedman, LA Times

"However the budget proposal is acted on in Congress, it is clear that the nation is not going to go ahead with the Constellation project, which had a primary goal of returning humans to the moon by 2020 -- neither its Ares I rocket, which was to replace the space shuttle in delivering humans into Earth orbit, nor its moon mission. The 2004 Vision for Space Exploration may have been farsighted, but its implementation plan for Constellation was shortsighted: an inadequate goal and inadequate funds to achieve it."

Our Opinion: Saving Constellation is a noble mission, editorial, Tallahassee Democrat

"We salute Florida's temporary U.S. Sen. George LeMieux for working mightily in Washington to stop the de-escalation of America's space programs, most specifically termination of the Constellation Program as submitted in a budget proposal by the president. Mr. LeMieux, offering an amendment to the FAA Reauthorization bill regarding NASA, knows the importance of space missions to Florida. If diminished, hundreds of jobs will be lost along the Space Coast, but the loss of science, research, technology and space travel aspirations will create a negative ripple effect in myriad ways well beyond our state."

Can commercial space win over Congress?, Space Review

"At last week's Senate hearing ULA president and CEO Michael Gass said his company was interested in and capable of serving the human spaceflight market. "The EELV rockets provide the quickest and safest approach for closing the gap following the retirement of the space shuttle," he said. "We will be working with multiple companies that will compete for crew services, and we plan to provide launch services in support of their proposals."

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More than a quarter century ago (!!!) I was the director of operations for the Louisiana Nature and Science Center in eastern New Orleans. The folks at Michoud (BTW, it's pronounced "Meechoo")were our partners in helping us run what amounted to a Spacecamp-type experience for the budget challenged. Given the restaurants then available, I often ate lunch at the cafeteria there. Security? no need back then. Rockwell also provided us with panels of the Shuttle cockpit instruments, and others ejection seats. Our staff made a pretty nifty reproduction of the Shuttle flight deck. Kids loved it and so did we. Our biggest hopes were dashed when Martin Marietta lost the station module contract to Boeing, though. In 2005 Katrina literally destroyed the entire nature center and swept it out to sea. Nary a trace remains today of any of the buildings or classrooms. All our space stuff remains just a memory-along with the memories of our many classes and students. I myself dreamed up a program for the vision impared, using space suits anjd Shuttle gear provided by the nearby Stennis Space Center teacher resource center. Alas, that too has long been closed.
The good people of Michoud are unsung heroes of the Shuttle era. Hope they land on their feet back home!

Frank..I work at Michoud and was one of the first to come back to work after Katrina..there are alot of great workers here, many will be laid off soon,we are working steady at building the last External Tanks. alot of pride goes into these tanks. I did visit the Nature Center in its heyday,,great place..my daughter had some great times there....Tom M.

Sorry to hear of that Frank: didn't feature on any news program or any national article re Katrina. Probably too late for a public subscription deal which would be the obvious way to go for resurrection purposes. Pity.

Considering the amount of money that will be lost to the taxpayer(but not by the contractors - for them it's win-win whether build or cancel: just like the health bill!);why they simply won't re-write the contracts to produce "Evolved"/DIRECT hardware and run with it for both ISS/BEO & "Flexible Path" while bootstrapping COTS to it is beyond me.

We keep within the budget(of which STS currently takes the lion's share remember) and still have money left over for the Bolden R&D requirement and Garver "Earthspace"(or SNC-Spatial Navel Contemplation!)requirements. We also retain the current STS infrastructure and a large proportion of the workforce not on the Orbiter section. Minimal and monetary losses. Obama might even get re-elected!

Well Mr. Lou Friedman, for one I'm a 20+ year member of the Planetary Society that won't be renewing his membership come September.

Whatever shortcomings CxP had you're now trying to sell us a vision for going all over the Solar System, and even sending humans to Mars no less (!) ... but without a 100T-payload-class HLV, without a schedule/deliverables for real flight hardware (mission modules, propulsion stages, etc.), and possibly not even with U.S. independent human access to LEO anytime sooner than Orion/Ares-1 would have.

If we're 'lucky' we might get an intermediate HLV in the 30-40 ton payload category which may seem an ok compromise but, alas, such vehicle will be oversized for LEO missions and yet still too small for any practical BEO mission because anything over 3 or 4 sequential launches for EOR is a non-starter.

Krispace, they decided to spend the money rebuilding the (slightly) damaged aquarium. It cost too much to restore the nature center, who for what I'm told had no flood insurance because of the location. For many years it was independent of the zoo and had a robust time as the only science museum in eastern New Orleans. Only NOLA museum with anything related to aviation or space.Back then, folks prized education in NOLA. Can't say if that's still true-I've been gone 21+ years.

"but without a 100T-payload-class HLV..."

"The present ESAS architecture for lunar exploration is dependent on a large launcher. It has been assumed that either the ARES V or something similar, such as the proposed Jupiter “Direct” lifters are mandatory for serious lunar exploration. These launch vehicles require extensive development with costs ranging into the tens of billions of dollars and with first flight likely most of a decade away. In the end they will mimic the Saturn V programmatically: a single-purpose lifter with a single user who must bear all costs. This programmatic structure has not been shown to be effective in the long term. It is characterized by low demonstrated reliability, ballooning costs and a glacial pace of improvements.
The use of smaller, commercial launchers coupled with orbital depots..."
http://www.ulalaunch.com/docs/publications/AffordableExplorationArchitecture2009.pdf
Mind you they would say that wouldn't they!

without a schedule/deliverables for real flight hardware (mission modules, propulsion stages, etc.
And you had that with Cx? With Ares V???
Under ObamaSpace (sorry!) at least there is now some money to develop the new hardware: advanced mission modules, advanced propulsion stages, etc.

"and possibly not even with U.S. independent human access to LEO anytime sooner than Orion/Ares-1 would have."

Well bearing in mind I have heard 2005, 2008, 2011, 2015, 2017, and 2019 as IOC for Ares I and Orion, you are quite correct. If Ares-I and Orion had flown in 2005, if the SSME had been air startable, if TO had not been a problem, if poor performance had not been an issue. Alas sunk costs are no guarantee to continue a LV sinking under its own weight!

However there is a light at the end of the Gap. Two or more commercial HSF providers whose ticket price to orbit will be kept honest by Russia and vice versa. And if there is a business case for SDHL then I am sure that ATK et all will Stumpy up the cash!
http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=3537.0

But perhaps Lori is a secret DIRECT Fangrrl?

"I have heard 2005, 2008, 2011, 2015, 2017, and 2019 as IOC for Ares I and Orion"

Ares wasn't even started until 2005 so those early dates are made up. And that's part of the problem. People have been throwing dates around with no basis in fact. The main dates I've heard are 2014 to 2015 and then Augustine's 2017.

"And you had that with Cx? With Ares V???"

Actually yes although you can question whether they were realistic. Without a schedule or deliverables the follow on plan is an open ended jobs program that will keep some people employed for a few years until the R&D gets canceled as well. Seen this game plan before.

Sorry you are quite correct :( I should have said test flight and CEV!
"On June 13, 2005, NASA announced the down-select of two contractors...so that a single contractor would be selected without prototyping or flight-test in 2006..." is where I mixed up the date.
http://www.astronautix.com/craftfam/cev.htm
Apologies.
If I remember correctly (and now there is some doubt!) there was to be a crewed test flight in 2008 as part of the CEV Spiral I?

@ex navy now that my lack of any knowledge in the area has been exposed as La-La Land (see above) I can only quote AC:
"The heavy-lift vehicle, Ares V, is not available until the late 2020s, and there are insufficient funds to develop the lunar lander and lunar surface systems until well into the 2030s, if ever."
p16 Option 1. Program of Record as Assessed by the Committee, Constrained to the FY 2010 budget.

There has been much debate re: Targets vs Destinations vs Goals across the InterWebs however I would be very surprised that any funding for R&D will be without: targets; success criteria and a delivery schedule. Indeed if NASA has not learned their lessons from the previous paradigm: open ended projects and cost plus budgets then possibly it *is* time to wind up the Agency and replace it with something that can.
However from my perspective the Obama Administration is pursuing a long term strategy in contrast to the short termism of most of your political class. An increase in funding stretched over five years is surely a long term commitment?

And who knows, the global economy may turn round by 2012 and Obama may get to see his strategy pay off by 2016!
"Rook takes Queen at e7"
http://www.kenilworthchessclub.org/kenilworthian/2009/02/obama-as-chess-master.html

The work in NASA isn't as easy as ABC therefore we need competent workers. Though with the recent economic crisis, we have to face massive lay offs from work and some of the workers at NASA didn't escape the widespread phenomenon. Let's hope for better alternative in due time.

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