NASA's Newest Exploration Analog

NASA May Enlist Astronauts, Celebrities to Entertain Trapped Chile Miners

"The U.S. National Aeronautics and Space Administration may help organize astronauts and celebrities to entertain 33 miners trapped in a mine in Chile during a rescue that may take as much as four months. The miners, who have been trapped in the San Jose underground mine in the Atacama Desert for a record 26 days, have already received messages of support from Chilean soccer star Ivan Zamorano and the national coach Marcelo Bielsa and have spoken on the phone with President Sebastian Pinera. "As we progress through in the coming weeks and months there might be an opportunity to have others make contact with the miners," James Duncan, deputy chief medical officer at the Johnson Space Center, told reporters in Santiago today. They may include famous Chileans or NASA astronauts, he said."

On ice and in space, lessons for Chilean miners, Washington Post

"The lessons that could help keep 33 trapped Chilean miners safe and sane during their months underground were learned at desperate times in isolated places: ice-bound sailing ships, prisoner-of-war camps, malfunctioning capsules whizzing through space."

Bold Endeavors: Lessons from Polar and Space Exploration, Jack Stuster, Excerpt from "Risk and Exploration: Earth, Sea, and the Stars", NASA SP-4701

"What happened on board the Belgica is well-documented. The crew gradually slipped into a malaise that was paralyzing to some of them. One man died because of what Cook thought was the effects of the isolation and confinement. One man developed a temporary deafness. Another man developed a temporary blindness. One man, each night, would find a place below deck where he could hide and sleep, because he thought people were going to kill him. Roald Amundsen served his apprenticeship as an explorer as mate on the Belgica, and later wrote, "Insanity and disease stalked the decks of the Belgica that winter." He credited Frederick Cook with saving the expedition from certain psychological collapse."

Keith's note: I took Jack Stuster's book "Bold Endeavors" to Everest Base Camp with me in 2009. Alas, I did not really read much there. I read some of Edmund Hillary's "High Adventure" (still very accurate, 50 years on), "The Ascent of Rum Doodle" ("send down more champagne" - a requirement), and a portion of Jack's book that focused on polar epics - until it got too cold to turn the pages, that is. Another lesson to be learned: let's invent books that turn their own pages at -20F (hint to iPad developers).


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This could have the effect of putting an end to the debate about whether or not a crew of astronauts could psychologically survive a trip to Mars. If these miners can survive this and come out of this with their sanities intact, then a trip to Mars would be no problem.

I've got the Bold Endeavors book, I highly recommend it. Fantastic stuff, well researched and not too dry. I expect unless there is a sea change at NASA regarding human exploration then this book will remain the reference for a long time.

"Exploration Analog"

Really?

These guys (1) don't want to be there, (2) aren't going anywhere new, and (3) have no training to bring back what they find.

They're going to learn something about themselves, for sure, but if getting trapped in a cave is what they need to do it, then NASA's getting much too much money to do it.

In fact, one would like to believe that humans going to far away places in space don't have to have anywhere near an analogous situation to make them explorers.

Yes, there are lessons here for human space exploration, but it's hardly an "analog".

Indeed, survival isn't generally what you're testing in an analog. This is certainly important information and experience, but, really, the big question is whether a crew can make it to a solar system destination and be scientifically and technically useful at the end of it. Can they manage the thousands of subsystems en route and during the mission? Once they arrive, can they make the complex decisions needed for exploration? Can they still make insightful and brilliant connections between science and observation? How is that connected to their external support network (technological and personal)?

If you want to test how capabilities of humans degrade with months or even years of isolation, and how that capability depends on external support network, by far the best resource is maximum security prisons.

Editor's note: Huh? Most of the people in these places have severe mental problems to begin with.

Whether these particular Chilean miners are going to step out of their trap and show their undegraded capabilities for making insightful and brilliant connections between science and exploration is a bit far fetched.

Seriously, the psychology of incarceration has strong relevance to long duration space flight. Much more so than these trapped miners. There are some pretty intelligent and skillful people that end up in maximum security prisons, and following their mental condition can be done in great detail.

Like astronauts, and unlike miners, these prisoners have had time to process their fate. Incarceration isn't a big surprise. They also have a pretty good idea of when they'll be freed (though in the case of maximum security, it may well not be ever).

"Editor's note: Huh? Most of the people in these places have severe mental problems to begin with."

I won't argue with that. You go to maximum security quite obviously because you've done something very very wrong.

But two points. Firstly, you obviously choose which inmates are worth following in this regard. Many supermax inmates actually go in with their faculties largely intact. Secondly, there is little argument that most of the people in these places have severe mental problems BECAUSE of their lengthy incarceration. The development of those problems is, in fact, what we're talking about here.

Also, I might add that unless these Chilean miners had some deep psychological profiling done before they went in, you might well be looking at several with some severe mental problems to begin with. Just because you're buried accidentally doesn't mean your knife is that sharp.

There is naturally some hesitation to look at really bad people as "analogs" for people who we'd like to worship as heroes. Also, many of these inmates may have serious guilt issues, which buried miners and deep space astronauts probably don't. But you take your lessons where you find them.

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