Snarky NASA SMD Response to Snarky Public Astrobiology Discussion

The Wrong Stuff: NASA Dismisses Arsenic Critique Because Critical Priest Not Standing on Altar, Wired

"What he fails to see or refuses to acknowledge is that Rosie Redfield is a peer, and her blog is peer review. NASA has bungled its presentation of this paper from start to finish. It makes worse by trying to dismiss critiques this way. This is the wrong stuff."

NASA's arsenic microbe science slammed, CBC News

"When NASA spokesman Dwayne Brown was asked about public criticisms of the paper in the blogosphere, he noted that the article was peer-reviewed and published in one of the most prestigious scientific journals. He added that Wolfe-Simon will not be responding to individual criticisms, as the agency doesn't feel it is appropriate to debate the science using the media and bloggers. Instead, it believes that should be done in scientific publications."

Microbe gets toxic response, Nature

"The big problem, however, is that the authors have shown that the organism takes up arsenic, but they "haven't unambiguously identified any arsenic-containing organic compounds", says Roger Summons, a biogeochemist at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology in Cambridge. "And it's not difficult to do," he adds, noting that the team could have directly confirmed or disproved the presence of arsenic in the DNA or RNA using targeted mass spectrometry."

The Right Place for Scientific Debate?, Columbia Journalism Review

"First there was the wild speculation about the discovery of extraterrestrial life. Then came widespread, sometimes misguided, coverage of the real news: discovery of a bacterium than can substitute arsenic for phosphorus, one six elements considered essential for life (which may, perhaps, expand the scope of humanity's search for life beyond this planet). Now comes the third installment in the commotion-filled saga: widespread criticism of the paper detailing the discovery, published last Thursday in Science, and an apparent snubbing of the media by the paper's authors and NASA (which helped fund the research), who rebuffed journalists' requests for a response to the criticism."

Arsenic-associated bacteria (NASA's claims), Rosie Redfield

"NASA's shameful analysis of the alleged bacteria in the Mars meteorite made me very suspicious of their microbiology, an attitude that's only strengthened by my reading of this paper. Basically, it doesn't present ANY convincing evidence that arsenic has been incorporated into DNA (or any other biological molecule)."

Was the arsenic life form announcement just a NASA publicity stunt?, io9

"After the Earth-shaking announcement last week that they'd discovered an arsenic-based life form, NASA researchers are under attack from many in the scientific community. Experts are calling the research shoddy, and wondering if NASA is just desperate for publicity."

Keith's note: Perhaps the public and the media can get some clarity on all of this by attending this event today at NASA HQ with one of the paper's coauthors.

NASA Science Seminar "Arsenic and the Meaning of Life"

"Employees and the public are invited to attend a scientific presentation by U.S. Geological Survey research hydrologist Dr. Ronald Oremland about the role of arsenic in microbial life and the microbial ecology of California's Mono Lake. This NASA science seminar will be held Tuesday, Dec. 7, 1 - 3 p.m., in the Headquarters auditorium."

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Interesting back and forth.

Ironically, Rosie Redfield's response repeats the sins of the offender she is bashing (which might be true) - she seems highly motivated by an agenda herself, and she's mostly poking holes at the methodology and psychology of the authors, not at the results themselves. (e.g. - what do the meteor claims, by other scientists, have to do with this ?!)

Of course, being a critique, she doesn't have to hold the same standards.

Given that the critique of the methodology seems to have valid points, the authors should respond.

Luckily, this seems an easy enough issue to resolve - the samples are here, and we'll definitely get more eyeballs on the issue now.

Curious to see how it turns out.

I guess I don't see the snarkiness here (except maybe from Wired). Redfield is just expressing valid scientific skepticism, and there is no problem with that. Dwayne Brown is just stating the fact that the original research appeared in a peer reviewed journal. At least as reported, Brown was hardly being "snarky" about Redfield's skepticism, and was in no way dismissing it. Brown was just making the good point that peer reviewed journals validate science better than NASA can, and NASA trusts such review to do that validation. That being the case, NASA doesn't want to participate in the kind of scientific debate that needs to happen. The SMD response was certainly not "snarky". Some responsible journalist needs to do a retraction on that headline.

The Wired author doesn't seem to understand all this. No, I'm afraid that science validation doesn't happen in blogs. It just doesn't. But that doesn't mean blog-discussed and critiqued science can't be valid. Such discussion and criticisms are excellent opportunities to "raise the flag" on issues that need closer examination.

In general, there are two advantages to conducting this debate in peer reviewed journals:
-- The peer review gate requires each author to give a crisp, technically precise, and well-supported exposition of their reasons for supporting or opposing the prior work. The blogosphere encourages blathering, imprecision, generalities, and ad-hominem attacks, none of which are helpful.
-- The rigors of developing that exposition force each author to explore the reasoning and facts of the opponent, to construct the strongest possible rebuttal. And it gives the author time to do these things well. The blogosphere encourages haste to avoid "losing the moment".

I fully advocate the peer-reviewed literature as the proper venue for this slugfest. If Redfield were to submit a paper detailing her objections, it would give a hard target for Wolfe-Simon and co-authors to respond to; otherwise, they'd be punching at ghosts. Each author could give a quick post in the blogosphere, as an advance summary, but that would be just "press releases" for the real story.

I wrote two articles about this debacle, from the dual viewpoint of both a scientist whose research domain encompasses the topic of the Science paper and a space exploration enthusiast. There was systematic failure at each step of the way: the research, the review, the journal, the agency.

Arsenic and Odd Lace


The Agency That Cried "Awesome!"

Bottom line: NASA has jeopardized astrobiology and the reputations of its scientists.

Athena Andreadis, PhD

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